Thursday, June 3, 2021

Should You Pledge, recite, gesture, watch, listen, or stay silent?

An Indian friend attended a US toastmasters club meeting and joined in the pledge. Her Indian nationalist friend objected. A long debate on Facebook discussed what is suitable to do.  

US Pledge

What is a Pledge?

A pledge of allegiance to the USA flag and USA - surely is for US nationals (maybe citizens)? Firt of all, what is a pledge, not a word often used in the UK. A pledge is a view. Often of allegiance. Or moral support. Or to obey rules. Or to be faithful and honest.

Pledge Problem

A friend from Toastmasters, call her Siti, was at an online meeting. She joined in the US plege. A nationalist from her own country objected. Siti asked for views on correct procedure for visitors to online meetings and pledges.

Toastmasters Pledge

Toastmasters has a pledge to Toastmasters.



Prayers Starting Meetings

At the YMCA in Singapore the club starts with a prayer. Sometimes ending with a reference to Christianity. Sometimes, suitable for all religions. Sometimes words suitable for all religions and none, Sometimes with a preamble asking those who are members and Christians to join in, visitors to simply observe.

School Pledges

When our son was at school in the USA he was expected to say a pledge. Somebody in my family objected because our son was not American. My view was that a pupil from overseas should be asked to simply stand silently and respectfully, but not to be obviously different to his classmates which might have made him appear to be an outsider to the children and a rebel to the teachers.. The teacher has a procedure to go through, but should have a system in place to accommodate correct action for children and visitors who may not know what wording is coming or what they are expected to do.

Sports

The host country's national anthem is played first, then the anthem of the visiting team. This is not an option. It is not the host country pushing their way to the front when they could have stood aside, like two people politely at a doorway, saying, 'After you'. It is a standard rule.

No need to take offence. On the contrary, if you follow the procedure, everybody takes their turn, when appropriate. You praise the host first. (Who has generally organized the event and spent the money.) Then the honoured visitors, who are not left out, but must be included.

A pledge of allegiance to the USA - surely is for US nationals (maybe citizens)? Toastmasters has a pledge to Toastmasters. At the YMCA the club starts with a prayer. Sometimes ending with a reference to Christianity, sometimes, suitable for all religions, sometimes words suitable for all religions and none, sometimes with a preamble asking those who are members and Christians to join in, visitors to simply observe. When our son was at school in the USA he was expected to say a pledge. Somebody in my family objected because our son was not American. My view was that a pupil from overseas should be asked to simply stand silently and respectfully, but not to be obviously different to his classmates which might have made him appear to be an outsider to the children and a rebel to the teachers.. The teacher has a procedure to go through, but should have a system in place to accommodate correct action for children and visitors who may not know what wording is coming or what they are expected to do.

Weddings

The usual procedure is a toast to the queen or head of the host country. This is followed by a toast to the guest or visitors country. So a wedding to an American groom in America by a bride and her family from another country such as France, started with a toast to the president of the USA and ends with a toast to the president of the bride's country.

At a Jewish wedding in the UK, with Israeli visitors and a rabbi from Israel, the first toast is the loyal toast to H M the queen, then to the President of the state of Israel. The first time I saw it done I thought that was how they decided to do it to show their allegiance and dispel any suspicions of disloyalty. Later I discovered this was simply a universal protocol found in wedding etiquette guidebooks. (I wrote one, a simpified easy to read version, entitled Wedding Speeches & Toasts.)

Conclusion

The Toastmaster of the Day or m.c. should, or could, explain the purpose of the pledge and who is required to do what.

Useful Websites

US pledge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

Pledges in wiki

Toastmasters pledges

https://www.toastmasters.org/leadership-central/club-officer-tools/club-management/club-quality/invocations-pledges-and-controversial-topics


About the Author

Angela Lansbury is a member of Toastmasters International.

About the Author Angela Lansbury

The Author - Quick Quotations

Angela Lansbury B A Hons  is the author of ten books by regular publishers plus another ten self-published books. 

About Angela The Speaker & Trainer

Angela Lansbury is a teacher of English and other languages to Toastmasters clubs and businesses.

Braddell Heights Advanced Toastmasters Speakers Vice President  Public Relations, Immediate Past President. VPPR
Former Area Director S3. Club Coach for Nee Soon South Toastmasters Club.
Also Member of: TCA Toastmasters Club; Singapore Online Dynamic; Harrovians UK

Past meetings have included Garen Tee on using story telling in business, on bha.learncool.sg . 
Recent meetings of BHA included an educational session on using Powerpoint for posters.
Next BHA meetings, always first Wednesday evening, 7 pm Singapore time. Next meeting is  the third Saturday afternoon, June 19th 2pm Singapore time.  Inauguration of the new committee by the incoming Director of S, plus a lively speech on teamwork.
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Angela The Blogger 

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